I don't know if everyone has heard about the four transplant patients in Chicago who got HIV from an infected donor, but the story has been floating around for a few days. The short of it is that a donor died, and his organs went to four people on years-long waiting lists. He had been tested for HIV, post-death, but the results were negative because he'd apparently contracted it within a week before his death. The whole occurrence is incredibly sad and also incredibly rare.
I read another story this afternoon about how one of the patients was not informed that the donor was considered "high risk," and that she had turned down a previous donor because of his "lifestyle." In the case of the infected donor, "high risk" = gay. And, in the case of the organ she turned down, "lifestyle" = gay. ...and that's the part where I get confused.
The article notes that CDC guidelines "say that gay men who are sexually active should not be used as organ donors unless the patient is in imminent danger of death." While I realize that HIV is a scary part of the homosexual lifestyle, isn't it also a scary part of the heterosexual lifestyle? For me, it boils down to a person's attitude toward sex and the precautions they take - not their sexual orientation. Maybe the gay community is at a higher risk for HIV, based on lots of numbers and stats collected throughout the years, but is it so much higher that they should be considered riskier than the average Joe Blow on the street?
I have plenty of gay friends who are not disgusting wh*res - in fact, two couples have been together a whole lot longer than most married couples I know, and they don't sleep around. Likewise, I know plenty of straight people who make me want to bathe in Lysol if I even talk to them on the phone.
Sorry for the mini rant, but it seems an odd distinction to make, and it annoys me that even in 2007, we're classifying people based on sexual preference rather than general ethics and moral attitudes.
Last year, Tennessee voted on a bill to ban same-sex marriage - or, more specifically, note marriage as being between a man and woman, since such language wasn't included in the state's laws. All over town, there were signs in yards that said things like, "Marriage: One Man, One Woman!" "Save marriage!" "...well, pardon me, but what about the abysmal heterosexual divorce rate in America? Doesn't that demean marriage far more than two women who love each other and want to make it absolutely official?
I wanted to set their little blue signs on fire.
Ugh.
And I'm a registered Republican.
Comme des Garcons
Yes I watched last night on the news... I was
when I heard of it. That's
some crazy a$$ sh*t
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1Good Points! Love the phrasing!
2I guess they have to draw the line somewhere, I don't know. Same could be said for drug users, some are safe, some share needles. What about tattoos, and how reputable the place was they got them.
Something to think about.
Your totally right and I hadnt heard of this (no tv) but wow! thats so crazy I wouldnt think theyd be classified as that but then again how can you know if a dead persons being honest with there lifestyle who do you know if anyones a skeeze after there passed? idk that situation doesnt seem right
3That was on the SC ballot last year. Those bumper stickers are still all over town, too.
I know exactly what you're getting at & agree my Red friend
4Good point, Jinx! I'm sure even the smallest break-down could be considered prejudiced stereotyping/discrimination - but gay = high risk smacks of a very, very broad brush.
5I got flagged! wtf?
6Awww poor Sashak.
So, are lesbians included in that brush stroke?
7And good point about having the facts about the donors.
I was just a little kid, but I remember when AIDS and HIV first became prevalent in the U.S. it was known as the "gay plague." That was 25 years ago and it makes me sad that some people, MANY people haven't given up on that outdated and intolerant paradigm.
I agree that "gay = high risk" is an unfair generalization, and I'm SHOCKED to see that the CDC has such strict guidelines.
I don't see what homosexuality has to do with the situation at all. An I.V. drug user? Sure. A promiscuous person who has unprotected sex? Definitely, but that has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
8"...based on lots of numbers and stats collected throughout the years, but is it so much higher that they should be considered riskier than the average Joe Blow on the street?"
The answer to this is YES. And even more so if you compare to the average Jane Blow on the street.
I aint no statistician, but... Traditionally, the rate of homosexuality was assumed to be 10%. Recent studies indicate, that if you're looking at exclusively homosexual individuals, the rate may be as low as 1%. However, 60% of HIV cases are found in homosexuals. Given the disparity between the rate of homosexuality in the general population compared to the rate in the infected population, it is a useful screen.
86% are male and 95% are recreational drug users of one sort or another.
Is it possible that the lifestyle in questions is recreational drug use, and not homosexuality?
If you could disqualify based on recreational drug use, that would be a very good screen.
The screen on sub saharan africa and haiti when giving blood isn't a moral judgement on the people who live there, but a recognition of HIV rates there.
In all these things, it SHOULD just be a matter of using statistics to mitigate risk, not make social commentary on what is right or wrong.
In any event, none of this matters to the folks who have gone from the tragedy of needing a new organ to being infected with HIV. Very sad.
9I agree... my brother is gay, and no more likely to get HIV than I am.
10I like how a girl I know who sleeps with every guy she meets will probably get her organs harvested before 2 of my gay friends who have been together for a ridiculous number of years.
Good information Arthur, thanks!
11I wonder when the statement/guidelines from the CDC were last updated.
125/20/2004
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/news/2004/NEW01070.html
13I hate that belonging to any group based on race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation etc would qualify anybody as 'at risk' . I am sure that statistically there are lots of negative things that black people are more likely to do or have or whatever - but I know I have no history or future of most of them and I would hate to be categorized as such. In the meantime YIKES! Here I am naively thinking that you can test for these types of things! I would be scared to get ANY organ at this point. I did read that the organs were tested for AIDS which is caused by, but is physiologically different from HIV so maybe their testing procedured need to be checked. I read that these are the first documented cases of this happening and my heart goes out to those 4 families, but I sure hope it was a fluke or man error - otherwise no one who needs this type of medical intervention is safe.
14I'd read that it had been tried to be portrayed as equally prevalent between homo and hereo but was actually much more prevalent among homosexuals. I'm not sure as to why it is.
15I agree with everything HVNLY34 said
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16Personal experience only here- I've never known anyone who has died from AIDS, and anybody I may know with HIV has never said anything about it. My (gay) brother has lost several friends to it, has friends who have HIV, and used to work for a charity that helped pay for medications for people with HIV. The vast majority of the people who needed help were gay. Maybe it has something to do with how you're exposed to the virus. Needles and anal sex will tear you up and make you bleed. It's not an easy disease to catch, believe it or not, so maybe getting directly in your bloodstream is more likely to happen to drug users and homosexuals than slutty girls.
17Good points, Sticky.
And, thanks for the numbers, Arthur.
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They fixed my lame tags and deleted my extra comments. I ♥ Sugar.
19Very interesting points and information that I truly had no idea about. And like heavnly pointed out, I'd also be scared of any kind of transplant at this point. I just seems like the ppl in charge of testing these things are not doing their job.
And I'm all for gay marriage btw.
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20Pagans rock!
this is the first i have heard of this distinction? hmm.
not sure what to think of it, but i do know how i feel about homosexuality in general and that is everyone should be free to be happy and not be judged. how that plays into public health i cannot say. and i cannot say how i feel about that right now as this was the first i heard of it. i'll have to think on this one.
thanks for bringing this to my attention, linz.
21I thought on this topic a bit this evening, and although the numbers dictate that homosexual males are at a greater risk for HIV, I still think they should be judged on a case-by-case basis rather than lumped into one "high risk" category based solely on their sexual preference.
I don't know. The whole issue just made me feel yucky.
22I'd just like to point out... that it's not necessarily newlyweds that have the high divorce rate. The high divorce rate is due to older marriages - 15, 20, 30, 40, even 50 year old marriages falling apart, and there finally being an acceptable way to end it.
23Just thought I'd point that out. It's not the new 1 in 2 marriages fail, it's just a statistic for ALL likely marriages.
...yeah.
I think if the numbers bear out (which it seems like they do from what Arthur says), than it doesn't have anything to do with prejudice. I mean it's frustrating when you're under 25 and charged a higher auto insurance rate despite driving like a granma, but for some things it's not really possible to assess every individual on a case by case basis and they have to go with statistical generalizations.
Same-sex marriage bans, on the other hand... Well, I personally don't understand the argument against same sex marriage. So, that does feel like it comes from prejudice. Not that I'm saying that anyone who opposes same-sex marriage is hateful, but it does seem like anti-same sex marriage = anti-gay. And, I'm a registered Republican as well.
Again, I'm not saying that anyone who opposes same sex marriage is hateful, homophobic, gay bashing, whatever... I'm just saying that if you were really concerned about the sanctity of marriage, and if you really believed the government should be the one to guard that sanctity, then it only seems logical that you'd want the government to put other restrictions on marriage than just sex restrictions.
24Very well said, Jen.
I completely agree with you.
25I have to admit after this post, I would be asking alot of questions if I needed a donated organ.
26There's enough struggles when recieving one, with infections, rejection, etc., I wouldn't want to have to be worried about aids too.
I heard about this last week and my heart goes out to all of the families affected by this.
27I'm totally for a man and a woman being married, period~
28But what's the reasoning?
29You're asking me the what my reasoning is for what I believe a marriage should be? I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not.
30I don't feel that I have to explain myself but I guess your'e curious. And I'm not saying this in a mean or nasty way moto...everyone has a right to their own belief. I believe in God and what the Bible says, (you can read the Bible yourself and see what I'm talking about if you are still curious.) I have a healthy fear of God. No need to go on and on about it, that's my only reasoning. If you don't believe in what the Bible has to say about it then my reasoning may sound ridiculous to me and that's fine. It's just who I am and what I believe in.
I made way too many errors in phrasing.....leave the 'the' out in the first sentence and
replace me with 'you' in the second to the last sentence~
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